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Do you think Crome Pro is worth $149?
Yes 35%  35%  [ 70 ]
Yes, and more 21%  21%  [ 42 ]
No 29%  29%  [ 59 ]
No, and see comments below 4%  4%  [ 8 ]
I didn't know I had to pay for it!? 5%  5%  [ 10 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:30 pm 
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Sean, are you off your meds? Tunerpro is for GM vehicles (ick!). Even bringing it up in a HONDA tuning website is absurd and pointless. Your argument makes no sense, as we cannot install Tunerpro and edit our Honda bins. So untill someone builds an editor that outshines Crome or CromePro at ANYTHING, then stop yacking about it!


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tunerpro is for any vehicle as sean mentioned. DSM guys use it all the time for the exact reasons mentioned by sean. Its a basic framework which can be adapted to any car that uses the chips supported by the ostrich. You need to do some programming to set it up for the honda ECU, but could be done with the minds involved in this site. Maybe thats what ill do this semester as a project.


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Kabuki wrote:
Sean, are you off your meds? Tunerpro is for GM vehicles (ick!). Even bringing it uo in a HONDA tunig website is absurd and pointless. Your argument makes no sense, as we cannot install Tunerpro and edit our Honda bins. So untill someone builds an editor that outshines Crome or CromePro at ANYTHING, then stop yacking about it!


off my meds ?? no. i make mention of something that is obviously true. you dont install chromn into your ecu. you take a binary file out of your ecu import it into chrome modify it save it and put that bin image on a chip. Tunerpro is an awesome program and will easily do everything your current editors do without all this bs. plus its free, supports emulation and can be setup to datalog. if you have the com cammand structure. ill get with a few of the guys here and collect up some info and put together a few XDF files for you guys to check it out.


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I seem to recall that TunerPro was missing the 2^M + X format for fuel tables that our ECUs use last time I talked to Mark. This wouldn't be that hard to add. Adding honda support to TunerPro wouldn't be *that* bad otherwise.


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I seem to recall that TunerPro was missing the 2^M + X format for fuel tables that our ECUs use last time I talked to Mark. This wouldn't be that hard to add. Adding honda support to TunerPro wouldn't be *that* bad otherwise.


well I'll talk to mark. i know he added a bunch of new features. have you seen the New XDF format. it allows for the creation of equations. check out the new 4.0xx version on his site.


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sean wrote:
off my meds ?? no. i make mention of something that is obviously true. you dont install chromn into your ecu. you take a binary file out of your ecu import it into chrome modify it save it and put that bin image on a chip. Tunerpro is an awesome program and will easily do everything your current editors do without all this bs. plus its free, supports emulation and can be setup to datalog. if you have the com cammand structure. ill get with a few of the guys here and collect up some info and put together a few XDF files for you guys to check it out.


Hmm.. don't remember implying that anyone installs software on their ECUs... that would be silly... Everything on the TP website (hah! TP!) pointed to GM and GM only. Sorry I misunderstood that... It's nice that this guy is willing to give away all of his time, energy, and education. But we can't expect the same from anyone else. And it's great that you feel comfortable enough with programming to modify this other editor to suit your needs. "Yay" for you. But the rest of us, who just don't have the time, or sometimes the inclenation to learn programming, Crome is a much better option. I tell you what. You put together a modified version of TP that is able to interperet the P13 and P0A code bases, with all the basics (Fuel, ignition, sensors) and VTEC, Idle, IAC, IAB. We'll give you $100. Sound fair?


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You put together a modified version of TP that is able to interperet the P13 and P0A code bases, with all the basics (Fuel, ignition, sensors) and VTEC, Idle, IAC, IAB. We'll give you $100. Sound fair?

I'm in for $50 on that wager... if it works with P14 code too. (should be the same as P13 without VTEC)


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off my meds ?? no. i make mention of something that is obviously true. you dont install chromn into your ecu. you take a binary file out of your ecu import it into chrome modify it save it and put that bin image on a chip. Tunerpro is an awesome program and will easily do everything your current editors do without all this bs. plus its free, supports emulation and can be setup to datalog. if you have the com cammand structure. ill get with a few of the guys here and collect up some info and put together a few XDF files for you guys to check it out.


Hmm.. don't remember implying that anyone installs software on their ECUs... that would be silly... Everything on the TP website (hah! TP!) pointed to GM and GM only. Sorry I misunderstood that... It's nice that this guy is willing to give away all of his time, energy, and education. But we can't expect the same from anyone else. And it's great that you feel comfortable enough with programming to modify this other editor to suit your needs. "Yay" for you. But the rest of us, who just don't have the time, or sometimes the inclenation to learn programming, Crome is a much better option. I tell you what. You put together a modified version of TP that is able to interperet the P13 and P0A code bases, with all the basics (Fuel, ignition, sensors) and VTEC, Idle, IAC, IAB. We'll give you $100. Sound fair?


i dont have tons of time. but if you wish to help the cuase then do the following. put together some text documents with the table sizes in rows and coloums in an X by X format along with all the various locations and bit masks for everything in these roms and ill also need the conversion fomulas to for all the various features like spark and fuel and if your realy nice include the formulas for converting for injectors etc.basically i need a map of the binarys in use for the varying ECM. ill will also need all the communications protocals to so i can make the datalogger work.


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i dont have tons of time. but if you wish to help the cuase then do the following. put together some text documents with the table sizes in rows and coloums in an X by X format along with all the various locations and bit masks for everything in these roms and ill also need the conversion fomulas to for all the various features like spark and fuel and if your realy nice include the formulas for converting for injectors etc.basically i need a map of the binarys in use for the varying ECM. ill will also need all the communications protocals to so i can make the datalogger work.


That's most of the work though... That's why I was going to pay you.


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i dont have tons of time. but if you wish to help the cuase then do the following. put together some text documents with the table sizes in rows and coloums in an X by X format along with all the various locations and bit masks for everything in these roms and ill also need the conversion fomulas to for all the various features like spark and fuel and if your realy nice include the formulas for converting for injectors etc.basically i need a map of the binarys in use for the varying ECM. ill will also need all the communications protocals to so i can make the datalogger work.


That's most of the work though... That's why I was going to pay you.


actually putting that info together shouldnt be to hard. and if you asked me to do it on my time scale or pay youd need alot more then $100. thanx for the offer though. building the xdf file might be a bitch though.


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Haha I just read this crap.. uhmm thats why cromes better and worth the money,.. CAUSE IT WORKS ALREADY!!!! no gathering of info and making tables and blablabla . . .


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:54 pm 
johncui wrote:
OK... While doing a search at Honda-Tech to see what people are saying about Crome I come across this: http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1163447&page=7

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...now i just gotta find a software to datalog because i dont feel like buying the crome pro for $150. I think theres a way to use the reg crome and get a patch for it, i still got to look into that.


I don't wanna say much right now, but if the worst is true, I will retaliate... and sorry to say, it will mean a big disappointment for many unregistered users.


Don't worry man,,,

y r u pissed off because of one dick? forgot about dicks and always remember ur supporters :wink:
this is my first post here, and actually I intended to buy Crome and other stuff even before I post here,,, I really like u Crome guys :wink:


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johncui wrote:
OK... While doing a search at Honda-Tech to see what people are saying about Crome I come across this: http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1163447&page=7

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...now i just gotta find a software to datalog because i dont feel like buying the crome pro for $150. I think theres a way to use the reg crome and get a patch for it, i still got to look into that.


I don't wanna say much right now, but if the worst is true, I will retaliate... and sorry to say, it will mean a big disappointment for many unregistered users.


If people could crack Adobe , Windows, and some of the top software in the world . Why wouldn't they be able to bust this one . It's not mainstream so I doubt it would happen .


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:53 pm 
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I have no seconds thoughts on buying a piece of software that will help me out when the price is bellow 50-75 dollars.

That is my financial threshold. everything higher than that I consider developing my own solution which for datalogging is not that hard (I actually did it).

So if you're looking for a new price.. my suggestion is 50-75 bucks. you would probably make more money in the long term with this new price.

Anyway, hope you get some for your time and effort and am glad to see the mandatory pgmfi.org password on the install.

Pedro


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so wth? you guys only want tunerpro to be compatible with OBD0???


j/k

CROME works great if you have patience to do it slowly and methodically to see what bugs are caused by what actions.


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