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CromeDealer (450 USD)
- All features included in CromePro
- License to use Crome commercially
- Additional Plugins only available with a dealer license
- Other extras upon reasonable request

If you read the features only with the $450 version do you get comercial rights aka the right to tune cars unless im totally not understanding how it works. Maybe it means it allows you to sell the software to other people, but that doesnt make sense to me because someone could buy CromeDealer for $450, sell the software for $50 and steal all of John's buisness. So basically from my understanding you would be breaking the rules by using the software commercially.

exactly. the $150 is not limited to one car, but tuning more than your own car is frowned upon since you did not by the 'tuner' version of the liscene.

uberdata is free; and as far as i'm concerned they're both buggy and still in development. at times uberdat outdoes crome hardcore; at times its the reverse. I dont see why i should pay a hefty fee for crome when uberdata does the same thing but differently.

Crome does have a 1000x nicer ui; and it does seem better organized but both options are for the diy guy; diy guys have ALWAYS been cheap.

In my opinion...the shear fact that John has given back to the community for all this time makes it worth it. Can you imagine the hours he has put into it and still continues to put into it?

I started using Uberdata late last year and it was fine for what I needed to do. Issues are issues w/ DIY EM and I dealt with them as best I could. When I saw that the only people working to further the development of UD were its moderators and Blake was MIA...I got a little perturbed.

After reading up and having another 'tooner' friend of mine purchase a license (that had been a long time UD user) and rave about it...I had to. I'm completely glad I did as well. (Plus John bought some parts from me so I felt like that was the last straw)

A lot of it is motivation IMO. As you can see lots and lots of these developers here get burned out...they disappear for a little, come back and then disappear again. John has been around and I continue to see him still be around...that deserves compensation. And compensation is what seems to keep those that are around consistantly...around.

I completely agree here... PLus, every time I see blake post, he's rude... John is always helpful, and is glad to answer any questions you've got. I will most likely end up buying the tuner liscense, as soon as I can get the rest of the tools...

If Uberdata and Crome are the same, and both "buggy" in your opinion, then why are you using Crome? Doesn't sound very smart to me. If something is the same, I'd definatly go with the one that cost less. It's the same reason people shop at Walmart and Cosco: same products but cheaper price.

I use Crome because I find it far more stable and offers more. And as far as I'm concerned, they both do the same thing in the same way. Editable fuel and ignition maps with datalogging and configurable engine parameters, but one is far less buggy and has extra features that are extremely valuable for a tuner. And about the DIY people have always been cheap: I consider $149 cheap for a quality engine management system.

But to each and his own.

I had to use Uberdata last week and it was painful.
Enough said.
Crome has me spoiled. Straight up.

the cost analysis on the first page is bull****. you could as well go to a cromedealer tuner and have your car tuned for $150-300 total.

$150 is cheap to me... especially when you consider how many assholes will laugh at the honor system and charge to tune as many cars as they wish (i know there are such jerks in my local area). more features should be limited to the $450-version.

as far as bugs: what software doesn't have them? hon*** has them and less features, as well. and who is doing more refinement currently? not many updates posted lately from those guys (and fyi: i do far more hd tunes, due to the market's perception, not the softwares function).

lowering the price will invite more uneducated users who will in turn add a heavy load on this suport forum and give crome a bad rep based on their inferior tunes.

I throught chrome 450 dollar one had more features? John you need to make a better posting with this shit lmao. All I know is it was worth 150 bucks. And when it goes to 2.0 or whatever and we have to buy it again I'll be rebuying it. Other than that what could you ask for in a program...fucking windows xp has bugs in it too...and i haven't founds bugs that hender me yet. Mostly all my problems have been user erros or me learning how to use the software.

John. I feel like I owe you an apology. I haven't bought cromePRO yet. I honestly haven't had the money. I've been tuning with the free version for some time now. Now that I'm done with college, I'll be coming into some money (aka real job) and some of that money will be going to cromePRO and other tuning products.

IMHO, John has busted his a$$, and has developed one hell of a product. ANY time I have had a question or been confused about something, John ALWAYS responds almost immediatly, and usually with a full page explanation.

It sucks that there are people out there that are so cheap that they hear how great CROME is, and then try to hack it and get it for free. What the hell. I'm honestly not surprised that this has happened. If they want to do simple tuning, you can with the free version. But come on...I KNOW I've used the free version A LOT, and appreciate all of the work that has been done...not only by John, but by quite a few of the other people here on pgmfi. So I just wanted to say thank you to all of those- especially John.

Hopefully I'll be upgrading soon.

Thanks again.

Personaly, I'm just trying to learn about those ECU things and I'm using Crome & Uberdata.
The next level will be for me, to do some rom for my own purpose, I'm interested in the datalogging feature too, but 149$ just to play with this feature is far away too expensive for me...

Since the begin I didn't understand why there is a Crome Free with all the features you need and CromePro with datalog.

If one day I plan to tune others peoples car's then I might bought the Pro or dealer version, but for now, in a learning process, I just can't pay 149$ just for ONE FEATURE.

Luckily PGMFI is full of alternative solution, so I think that hacking CromePro is useless because there is so many way to do the same thing, why should I piss on the work of this John ?
He gave us the chance too have a very powerful tool/toy...

Crome rocks. I paid for the Pro version, with no hesitation. Personally, the only thing I dislike the fact that there isnt any graphing capabilities for datalogging, but I assume that there will be enhancements made in the near future.

As I recall UBERDATA was not free at first, but people got pissed that it was buggy. So now it's free..I will never forget because I got ripped off. So I started looking into other options, found crome and saw it's potential and started tinkering and learning. Realized that CROME could be way better then other tuning options..

CROME is NOT alot of money. If you can't afford that then U can't afford a high performance honda!!!!! Besides if it's too much then find a CROME DEALER/TUNER and you can get a car fully street and dyno tuned for less then $400.

For those that think that paying $150 for one feature is not worth it, it's kind of funny that all the poeple that forked over the cash think it's worth it!!!!!I haven't heard one person that accually bought crome pro say it's not worth it..HMMMM

I've never heard John charge extra for his updates yet, if he ever does I'm sure it will not be very much, so I wouldn't worry...

CROME is well worth the money!!!

if i can get an a/c cut to work, it'd be worth 200. i STILL cannot get one to work.

it does have some bugs which can be annoying, but the interface is beautiful and easy on the eyes.

This helps when staring at a screen for hours at a time.

i think there should be a base unit for free-timing and fuel maps, just enough to make it work with boost and larger injectors.

the 149 unit should have all the plug-ins done for you that work properly,with minimal bugginess.

450 is cool if you want to make money with it.

I went out of my way not to bring uberdata into this discussion at all. If you think about it, 8 months ago people were saying Crome was not worth using, uberdata had the better options, blah blah blah. Now Crome has stepped up. Could it swing again? Yes. Could it not? Yes. Really not much more to say than right now if you based the pay version of Crome vs Uberdata, the pay version is more fine tuned. Free vs free uberdata has more options and is more complete.

After thinking about it, my price break down is a bit invalid. You can find a crome tuner and it will still cut out the price of the blue box.

My whole point is $150 is a bit pricey for a non commerical version. The $150 version will lead people to believe they have the right to charge people for their tuning services when in fact those rights are given to you via the $450 version. Basically, I would do a free crome and a pay crome. You pay for it, you can use it as you please, meaning charging for tuning other cars. Id also price that pay version at about $150-175. Right now I see people buying the $150 version thinking it gives them the rights to use it commercially and it doesnt. Seems like rather than confusing people(since obviously some people who have the license wasnt even aware that the $450 version was the one that gave you commerical rights and the $150 doesnt) you might aswell reduce the confusion also probably increase sales.

Its not my software, and you'll do as you like. I just think this thread further illustrates the fact that even Crome users are confused by the 3 versions and what is and isnt entitled to you via your choice.