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OK... While doing a search at Honda-Tech to see what people are saying about Crome I come across this: http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1163447&page=7

Used2beAb16 writes:


I don't wanna say much right now, but if the worst is true, I will retaliate... and sorry to say, it will mean a big disappointment for many unregistered users.

there is alot of dick around the world ,so don't be pissed at it,with crome i can tune a car in an hour plus lm1 kit,i will be registering soon for my friend here in taiwan ,because they have seen my tunning ,wait for my answer buddy

i dont really understand why someone would want to go through the trouble to crack crome. if they want free with datalogging use uberdata.
in the time it would take him to crack it, he could have his car tuned, and be pwning headz on da streetz (was that street racerish? i tried).

sometimes i just dont get people.

I,m using crome pro ,and just because of al the little bugs, that maybe has something to do with the order we follow to modify a rom, or the VTP, etc. (I know it's not "crome's" fault). But, if someone would buy crome, he would expect very minor bugs, and right now, a great deal of people are waiting the next version.


If it wasnt of the rom bugs, yes, crome is totally worth 150$. It is easy to use, and you realy feel you understand what you are doing. the datalogging is great, and even if I think it might be a bit bugggy.

That's my opinion, as a "customer", not as a PGMFI elf.

the amount of time and effort it takes to crack crome, why not either write your own, or contribute to a free datalogger?

No matter what software it is, someone will always reverse it. There will always be someone out there who does not respect the work of another.
But, the good side of this is that there is also alot of people out there that do respect and appreciate your work John.
I personally have enjoyed using Crome, and in using it I have learned alot. I hope you do not let the little people in the world affect all that you do for the community.

Im not going to comment on the software, but the cost analysis.

Crome Pro at $150 licenses you to only tune your car basically. So adding the cost of the items up.

Crome Pro $150
Burner $50-100
Wideband $300-350
Laptop $300
Datalogging cable $10-30.
Total: $870

Hondata S100b $400
Dyno Tuning $400.
Total: $800.

Now im not saying that you cant sell off your burner, wideband later, and borrow a friend's laptop. Im just doing a comparitive cost analysis of what it costs to tune one car. Crome will also allow you to edit your tune later on, but again then you cant sell those other items after you are done.

So do I think $150 is too much for software that only allows me to tune one car, yes. With most software you buy you get multiple usages out of it. This you dont. The $450 version is much more cost effective than the $150 version by far.

John, there is another point you should consider, is that us, pgmfi coders, if we want to code a obd1 datalogger with live tuning (which is what people want from crome and dont wanna pay for), well it would be very easy and I know, it would be a freeware like all the others. I'm personally not doing it because I need ot finish obd0 support and I have a license for crome. But if anything is to happen, I WILL code obd1 editor + tunning, because I got everything almost done here. But don't worry for now, i'm not even thinking about it now.

I've been coding up ecucontrol for 3 years now. It always remained free for the only reason that it's simpler to manage that way, and, I dont have to think about copy protection, which IS very time consuming.

I think you reap what you sow. Not a bad way to go, but it has it's pros and cons, and I personaly think it has more cons and pros...

I think the price could be lowered a little bit. For the amount of people that you will be gaining over the next year it would not hurt your sales whatsoever.

Also, the fact that it only allows to tune one car isn't very cool at all. or cars for that matter?

Multiple usages = 200

One usage =100

If you cut the price in half I know for sure i'd buy it (provided it came with updates and what not). And i know at least 4 othe rpeople that would buy it too.
I just have a problem forking over that much cash for some software thats still for the most part in development. It is a great piece of work though. At the moment crome is beating uberdata's ass as far as reliablility and core functionality. They pass back and forth though and i often will go from one to the other.

I'm also not saying yours software isn't worth the money; it's your time and i know first hand how it feels when you spend countless hours working on something only to be repaid with peanuts. I'm just trying to say that if you dropped the price some you'd probably sell a WHOLE LOT more licenses and probably pull more of a proffit.

the tuner pro package is only able to tune one car? so how do you tune multiple cars? the only reason i am asking is because i had all my friends talked into using uber and then i started doing more research and somebody suggested crome. i have been reading as much info as i could about crome. so i talked my friends into crome even though you have to pay 149 for all the features but i didn't know it was only good to tune one car.
and like computerjlt said, paying that much for a product that is basically still part in development is kinda high.

i know that John puts alot of his time into coding and new features so he should be compensated for it. but he would sell more if the price was lower for single lisence and the 149 for multi.

i know my thoughts don't mean shit here but figured i would pst anyways

I have tuned about 6 cars with crome pro. I have a guy coming down state to get his car tuned with crome because he was so impressed with our numbers and times using crome. I dont see how you can only tune 1 car since i hae tune 6...you can only use one laptop to tune all the cars. Which is good for john since he dont hae to worry about piracy. John it was worth the 150 dollars. Thanks for the great product. I'm now just waiting on the next version so i can have the o2 turned on and off. Thanks again for giving us at quickwhips a great product at a great price.

you can tune more then one car like your friends and family and such..you just cant sell them. Its not like he has you locked down to one rom only and thats the one and only rom/bin file you can ever open and use. I just purchased cromepro recently, finally got my datalogging to work and ostrich to load.

Im going to practice tuning my freinds ls/vtec..hes been bugging me to get the thing to idle smooth and run more efficient..so im excited now that i have everything running. and hopefully soon if i get my built gsr turbo engine together to tune that.

It is a pain to go thru all the troubleshooting, bugs, and errors to get your stuff to connect and work...but once you get it, its well worth the time spent on getting things right, plus you learn alot more on how and why things work and dont work!

Yeh it would be nice to able to update Crome as new versions came out either freely or at a reasonalbe small update fee...but it also depends how often new versions come out to...if they come out 2-4 times a year, which i doubt...updates should be free imo...basically if theres a huge drastic change in the Crome program then yes update fees are expected but if its minor updates used to fix bugs and such and new small features then no.

ok cool that made more sence. i was trying to figure how the program would know how many cars were tuned with it . but that's what we were gonna do, just use my laptop and tune our cars. if this is the case then the $150 is worth it. but the updates part is what would be cool to get a way to have cheap upgrades or for when the actual release comes out so your not stuck with a beta version and end up with all kinds of bugs.

Crome is easily worth $149. Don't pay attention to the low-balling cheap asses in the scene. That's one thing that disappoints me with the import scene in general: people are so fucking cheap it's ridiculous. Look at all the car thieves we have. If people don't want to pay $149, let them buy Hondata.

People can pay thousands of dollars for a turbo setup but can't pay $149 for proper engine management.